Whey Vs. Brown Rice & Yellow Pea Protein Powder Supplements
89Building muscle is the goal of every body builder but everyone should have this goal to some degree. Most people need to develop a leaner body and those who don't need to maintain what they have. Developing a leaner body does not necessarily mean becoming muscle bound or looking overly muscular. The fact is if you are not regularly engaging in some type of resistance training or adequately using your muscles regularly, you are slowly replacing muscle with fat. Using protein powder supplements are becoming increasingly popular in order to more effectively develop and maintain needed muscle mass.
Two of the most popular supplements are whey and yellow pea/brown rice protein powder. When choosing a protein powder there a few things to consider: The differences between animal and plant based protein and more specifically the differences between whey and the yellow pea and rice blend.
Whey is a byproduct that comes from making cheese. It is loaded with highly absorbable animal protein which would make it prime candidate for building lean muscle mass. Research shows that when combined with the proper amount of resistance training, whey is effective at helping to build muscle. However, overdosing is ineffective. No study has ever shown that consuming protein in excess of 10% of total daily calories has any impact on muscle growth.
Excessive protein leads to the storage of unwanted fat simply because the body can only burn so many calories from protein during a workout. In addition, excess animal protein acidifies the body forcing the bones to leach calcium in order to restore balance, which eventually leads to osteoporosis. Therefore, in most cases, protein powder supplements should be used as meal replacements not in addition to high protein meal.
It is becoming widely known that animal protein leads to inflammatory diseases such as heart disease and cancer. Research shows that it increases blood cholesterol to a much higher degree than dietary cholesterol or animal fat. The French are a good example of this because they consume a diet high in fat but low in animal protein and have a low incidence of heart disease. Dr. T. Colin Campbell, who was director of the China Study, discovered that animal protein damages the lining of blood vessels leading to inflammation and hardening of the arteries.
Further evidence that animal protein is responsible for increased blood cholesterol rather than animal fat is found with the American and Canadian Heart associations. The research suggests that cholesterol levels are not reduced by substituting low-fat animal foods in the diet.
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Is Whey Protein Powder the Right Choice For Building Muscle Mass
Whey is the most popular protein powder supplements among athletes because of its high bioavailability. However bioavailability is not the only thing to consider when choosing a protein supplement. Whey protein's impact on health should also be considered. There are some individuals that do not experience short term side effects such as gas, bloating and constipation. However, long term side effects affect everyone. One concern is rapid absorption of highly concentration amino acids which causes a condition called aminoacidemia.
For years athletes have been using whey protein to attain this condition believing it promotes rapid muscle growth and larger muscles. According to The American Journal of Clinical Nutrition this is not the case. "Whey’s high Protein Digestibility Corrected Amino Acid Score actually ensures a rate of amino acid delivery that is too rapid to sustain the anabolic requirement during the postprandial period (the period right after a meal)." Another reason aminoacidemia is undesirable is because excess amino acids in the blood are converted into water, carbon dioxide and ammonia.
Barbara Beaty, Ph.D Nutrition Discusses Whey
Ammonia is toxic to the body and can lead to premature fatigue if the kidneys become overburdened by too much protein in the blood. Studies are also showing that Aminoacidemia leads to diabetes. Furthermore, whey is high in cholesterol and is highly allergenic. Although it is a byproduct of milk, it contains little to no casein or lactose allergens. What it does contain is three highly allergenic protein fractions: beta-lactoglobulin, bovine serum albumin and alpha-lactalbumin which most people have varying degrees of allergic reaction.
Whey is a major contributor to intestinal toxemia. Intestinal toxemia is a toxic environment in the intestinal tract which is the result of poor dietary choices. A diet high in fast, processed and refined foods, animal protein, hydrogenated vegetable oils and trans-fats are the primary contributors. Consuming these types of foods leads to undigested food particles in the small intestine and colon which are not equipped to deal with them.
Eventually proteins putrefy, carbohydrates ferment and fats go rancid. This unhealthy environment leads to the formation of harmful byproducts through the overgrowth of bad bacteria which impairs the intestines ability to absorb nutrients, causes excess gas and bloating and can lead to chronic diarrhea and mild to severe stomach pain. If intestinal toxemia persists long term it can lead to Crohn's Disease or irritable bowel syndrome.
When whey is consumed with an unhealthy diet the problem is compounded. Whey protein particles are large, making absorption difficult and because it is highly processed it has no enzymes to break down the particles. Poorly digested protein in the digestive tract provides the ideal environment for the growth of bad bacteria which can overtake good bacteria and lead to many health problems.
Brown Rice, Yellow Pea Protein Powder is A Popular Alternative
For years it was believed that animal protein was the only good source protein because it provides all 9 essential amino acids the body needs from food. Today research shows that eating a totally plant-based diet supplies all the essential amino acids as well.
Yellow Pea, Brown Rice Protein powder combination is gaining popularity due to the great taste and high bioavailability. The processing of both pea and rice protein is completely natural which prevents the denaturing of the protein.
Brown Rice Flour
Rice protein is made by grinding brown rice into flour and then using enzymes to separate the protein from the carbohydrates and fiber. The end product is a naturally produced, hypoallergenic, easily digestible protein. Yellow pea protein uses a water-based process which is also very natural, does not cause allergies and is easy to absorb.
The rice and pea protein are combined to create the complete amino acid profile needed by muscles, which dramatically increases bioavailability. Research has found that plant based protein lowers cholesterol levels and has a positive impact on the overall health of the body. The rice, pea protein combination also has a branch chain amino acid profile similar to whey making it an excellent choice for building and maintaining muscle.
When choosing a protein powder supplement it is important to look for a product that is balanced. When protein is consumed in the diet, it is accompanied by many other nutrients for maximum health benefits and effectiveness. Companies that make whey protein powder supplements do not take this into consideration. Usually they will add enzymes to help with digestion but that's it.
Rice, Cranberry, Pea Protein Blend With Enzymes and Many Other Nutrients
One company, Arbonne International has produced an impressively well balanced protein powder supplement. It is a blend of rice, yellow pea and cranberry protein for maximum plant protein bioavailability. It is loaded with vitamins and minerals and contains inner G complex which is a combination of coenzyme Q10, alfalfa powder, kelp powder and ginseng powder. This nutritionally balanced, highly bioavailable product makes it the ideal protein powder supplement for healthy and rapid muscle development when used in combination with an effective resistance training program.
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I am in total support of a rice/pea blend for a protein supplement. It is quite clear that plant-based protein supplements can indeed build high quality muscle.
Unfortunately your post is rife with inconsistent data and arguments. Rebutting your position would take a post longer than I am willing to dedicate time to. A very brief example is your citation of the Am J Clin Nutr article of whey digestibility. You cite this as an example of the 'too rapid' delivery system of whey, yet then go on to say that "whey protein particles are large, making absorption difficult .."
Additionally, grouping all animal protein in with whey is wrong. Period. I would expect more academic and intellectual honesty here. You try to sound balance, but your agenda is clear. It is okay to promote your product, but please don't do so with the intention of telling us why the other is evil.
The best answer about protein supplementation (and life) is that there are many good solutions to any given problem - please don't claim exclusivity. My thoughts :)
Thanks for your comment David!
You failed to mention that in the article I state that whey protein manufacturers alway provide the necessary digestive enzyme which causes quick absorption and the Aminoacidemia state. The problem is that with whey there is no evident way to slow down the process. It is either too much or too little.
Your statement that grouping all animal protein in with whey is wrong is based on what?
Mine is backed by the most conclusive study on nutrition ever made which is The China Study. Unfortunately, you make a lot of bold statements without backing them up with any proof.
It is difficult to take your objections seriously because you do not provide evidence to support your position. I have written an article on The China Study called Forks Over Knives and the China Study if you are interested in learning more.
Steve,
I am all for a pea/rice protein blend. I think I said that. I just don't like the idea of someone vilifying whey protein concentrate to make their product look better.
Let's not forget that the protein component of human breast milk is about 73% non-casein protein (including a-lactalbumin, lactoferrin, IgA, IgG, serum albumin, ß-lactoglobulin). Let's not forget that the cysteine is a potent glutathione precursor (the best we know of supplementally).
I have studied Campbell's work. It is well done. So is the movie Forks Over Knives. However, there are a few conclusions that they (he) makes which the data do not support. This has been hashed out in other blogs so I will not do that here (http://rawfoodsos.com/2011/09/22/forks-over-knives
The China Study NEVER EVER addresses supplemental whey consumption. Nor is it included in the animal protein category. The average serving of cholesterol in whey protein is about 40mg per serving. The average amount of cholesterol in an egg is about 195mg. You do the math. Additionally, I think that you will find, from a careful reading of the data that exogenous cholesterol consumption has never been shown to be causative for heart attacks, atherosclerosis, or plaque aggregation.
Of the five blue zones in the world (Okinawa, Japan; Sardinia, Italy; Nicoya, Costa Rica; Ikaria, Greece; and the Seventh Day Adventists in Loma Linda, California) all are costal. All eat meat as part of their diets excepts the Seventh-day Adventists in Loma Linda (I should know I am one).
If you are interested in addressing the issue of cholesterol, triglycerides, atherosclerosis, diabetes (type II), metabolic syndrome, Alzheimer's, obesity, MS, parkinson's, etc .. I suggest you take a look at added sugar in our s.a.d. diet.
I am not sure how many references on the efficacy of whey protein (and it's ancillary benefits) you are looking for. But here are a few:
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David, you are right cholesterol consumption has not been proven responsible for degenerative diseases. But that is not what this article or The China Study is saying. It is all animal protein which Dr Campbell makes very clear is what causes the increases in LDL blood cholesterol levels responsible for the onset of degenerative diseases. There is no question that whey protein is animal protein.
I did not see any credible scientific evidence at your blog link supporting your statement that "there are a few conclusions that they (he) makes which the data do not support." You have quoted several references supporting the efficacy of whey protein. But this is not in question. It is the harmful effects of whey which are the focus of this article.
I am not trying to put whey down in order to make rice/pea protein look better so I can benefit somehow. I am just stating the facts. Whey has been proven to cause many health problems for many people. My goal is to show that there is a healthier way to get supplemental protein for muscle building. As for me making my product look better. Do you see any links on this article that will allow me to make money from the Arbonne product or any other rice/pea protein powder product?. There isn't any and I don't benefit in any way from Arbonne or the sale of Arbonne products for writing this article and I never will.
I wonder who will study the negative effects of processed plant protein
Steve,
Let me ask you this question .. by what mechanism (process) does animal protein raise LDL cholesterol? You won't be able to tell me. Do you know why? Because it doesn't. LDL cholesterol synthesis begins in the mevalonate pathway. Insulin induces HMG-CoA reductase activity thus turning on this cholesterol pathway. Do you know which LDL particle is the most atherogenic? Do you know which LDL pattern causes the beginnings of heart disease? Pattern B. How is LDL-B packaged? From what primary substrate? It isn't protein. It is a high carbohydrate consumption. But don't take my word for it. Please read the following:
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"Low-fat, high carbohydrate diets have been reported to predispose subjects to the generation of small, dense LDL." [Packard, 2003, p1067]
There are more if you are interested. We have known since 1986 that excessive intake of refined carbohydrates cause elevated LDL cholesterol. I have more references than the 17 I have provided if you like ..
As for your comment about 'credible scientific evidence' at the blog link .. it is entirely clear you did not read it at all. You may have clicked it, but you certainly didn't read it. There are holes in the China Study and Forks Over Knives. And yet they provide an excellent springboard for people to get started taking control of their health. Collectively we need to eat more vegetables and unrefined carbohydrates. The sugar load (amongst other things) is slowly killing us.
I stand by my position that you are incorrect in grouping whey protein in with all animal protein. The problems with cholesterol and LDL are more nefarious that just meat consumption. Refined carbohydrates must be implicated here. I have provided over 50 peer review journal articles to substantiate my point. You have provided a single reference.
I can take no more time to discuss anything further. I suggest that we agree to disagree agreeably. Thank you for taking the time to write and discuss these things. Our goal to help people regain their health is important. Good luck in the future.
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David, the difference between these studies you have cited and The China Study is as 'Professor Campbell states in his report about the study that there is a major difference between this study and all previous studies that relate to degenerative disease and nutrition. All previous studies focused on "single factors and single diseases" which have produced inconsistent results because they were conducted in developed countries where the majority of people eat a similar diet.'
David, thank you for your comments and I agree that we should agree to disagree agreeably. Good luck to you too.
i m a huge fan of the arbonne protein shakes and all the other arbonne essentials, i love that i can loose weight the best way--arbonne is so proud of showing what they use in their products.
Wow! David and Steve, that's quite the discussion. I'm not sure where I stand on either one. All I know is that I'm an Arbonne consultant, but I must admit that I don't care for the flavor of ANY protein shake, ours or other. But I HAVE seen results in people for WEIGHT LOSS with Arbonne. Whey protein does not appear to claim that it's effective for weight loss, rather it is for muscle gain. To lose weight, it takes a healthy diet and excercise. To gain muscle, it takes a healthy diet, exercise, and strength training. Enough said?
I have been and am simply amazed at the overal mental contemp towards plant based aminos. It borders primarily on ignorance and or arrogance, either way my theory is that you can lead a horse to water but you cannot make it drink. My life is dedicated to the re-education of the post fat life mind (post weight losssurgery). Well at 3 years out, lean and fit beyond my wildest dreams, I have from day one post surgery committed to plant based aminos, water and an hour of exercise a day without fail. The result is infinitely superior to any of my associates who did animal based amino and stuck with SAD (standard American diet) foods only less!
Just saying
Brett
Steve, you're an endless source of new information for me. If I hadn't read so many of your articles in the past, I would have scoffed at this one (based on the title).
Brett, I have to somewhat disagree on the assertion that the contempt (there's a T in there) for plant based aminos is based on ignorance. That's a very foolish statement! There are some decent sources of plant based proteins, but there isn't a single ONE on the planet that suits the needs of those wanting to build more lean mass. Only combinations of plant proteins make up a viable mix for such.
Sorry, Brett, that's a fact. I've been doing this for a very long time...
Great article. Explains very nicely the dfference in these types of protein. I am an avid Arbonne fan, and also an Independent consultant, but even if I weren't I would still know these are the best!
I find the Arbonne Essential's line to be WORLDS different than any other supplements I have tried, and all for the better. I like that it is plant-based, contains natural sweeteners, and is allergen-free. (we cannot have gluten or dairy in our family). I can appreciate the heated discussion above, but trust that Arbonne is above all when it comes to quality products. We have used Vega in the past, but this surpasses my own expectations. The price is great too as a consultant! (almost half of what I was paying before for a lower-quality product)
As I have used the Arbonne shakes and cut out the gluten and sugar from my diet and have lost 40 #'s since Oct. 2011. I find using unsweetened coconut milk as the base of my shake along with 1 Tbs coconut oil I am most satiated and able to go longer between eating. Plus, I'm not wanting to eat everything in sight when I do eat the next time. This is the only combination that has ever worked for me and I have tried many.
I agree that a balanced protein powder is important. Since it's difficult to get protein powder in S. America and when available it is expensive, I am always looking for natural forms of protein. We eat a lot of eggs, probably not the best idea, and a lot of quinoa. Quinoa has 9 grams of protein per cup which still doesn't compare to beef or protein powder. I'm always on the lookout for safer ways to increase our protein intake if you have any suggestions.
Indepth information.Clear and easy to understand. Great up. Voted up.
Steve or David. Could either of you support any theory or studies based on fresh meat. It is said to be gluten and casein free. So I wonder how that effects Prof. Campbell studies over all and specifically the China study.
What I think Steve refers to regarding cholesterol in general is animal proteins are much higher in saturated fat, usually lower in monounsaturates. THAT will definitely effect serum cholesterol...and probably negatively on the LDL:HDL.
Not to slight you, David Nelson. You surely seem to have a good grasp of what you're talking about.
Thanks very much to both Steve and Dave for providing a debate based on science, without belittlement; for that attitude in and of itself, I applaud you. I've been a registered dietitian for several years (and an independent consultant for Arbonne for several weeks), and I have thus far avoided promoting their supplements simply because I do not feel I know enough about them to promote them over the whey based protein supplements that are approved by the Academy of Nutrition and Dietetics (formerly the American Dietetic Association) and that I commonly recommend to my patients. I find both sides of your argument interesting, and am inspired to continue to read up on the potential negative impacts of animal proteins, as I have been under the assumption that in the processing of whey powder, the cholesterol was removed, leaving only protein...maybe that is my naivety. I have, however, been seeing some of the research stating the health benefits of complimentary plant based proteins and am in absolute agreement for nutritional and environmental reasons. Much of this research, though, is based on the animal meat vs beans and rice, not this or that protein powder, is it not? In any event, my current stance is to continue to promote both for people who need the additional protein - though as an RD I absolutely recommend yellow peas and brown rice over yellow peas and brown rice protein extract.
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I use the Arbonne Essentials line to stay healthy, keep my weight in check and to be nice to my body. Love this product.